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Re: To clean or not to clean....

Reply #15
I go to each match with a clean bore. I fire my fouler/sighters,
then go for record.....It's all part of the mental game.

Couldn't agree more!
Dave

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Reply #16
Not all matches allow sighters. I never go to a match without a well fouled bore.

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Reply #17
Not all matches allow sighters. I never go to a match without a well fouled bore.

Me too.  All of my matches do allow a blow off period, firing into the berm sans target, or true sighters but I still like to get at least 5-10 shots in the tube prior.  I do have some barrels that are 'on it' after the second shot but I have one, in particular, that did not group really well until 20-30 shots in.  I have yet to have a barrel that did not group in the .3 MOA's well into the 80-100 rd count.  But, I shoot F-class so I don't need any more than .3 MOA.

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Reply #18
Don't shoot competition.  Shoot for antlers and meat.  Anal/OCD about a stick that is going down range.  Clean to metal a couple of weeks out and foul/check till it shoots back in.  Tee tiny little groups with the hunting load.  Wipe them down,  case them up and prepare to travel.  While wife and step-daughter are sleeping at the destination camp, I am wiping bolts, cleaning lenses on scopes/binos/rangefinders.  Old Army habits part of my DNA.  Failure is not an option.  Getting long in the tooth and doddery so a miss is in my future.  
If you have the shot, take it.

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Reply #19
Not all matches allow sighters. I never go to a match without a well fouled bore.

True enough, I wasn't thinking about that. I'm used to a 6 minute unlimited sighter period.
Dave

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Reply #20
It's reasonable to heed what Rob said about matches that do
not allow sighters but, shame on you if you do not know this
before hand. Like I mentioned about the mental game.  Now
our clubs steel matches do not allow for sighters but a shooter
is free to come forward to express the need to foul his bore.
In this case, we have a separate 100 yard range this is done at.
Keeping my bad Kharma intact since 1952

 

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Reply #21
I agree if it is good, maybe it should be left alone.  Although when I used to wear the OD green suit that my Uncle required us to wear, I can remember taking the M14 into the shower because of the extreme mud, ice, snow, etc.  Then dry the sucker and yourself and then thoroughly clean the bore receiver and all parts, and oil it.  Then you can put on your jamies and lay your weary head on the pillow.  So in the military, PM to the firearm always came first, but circumstances are different now - we are not out in the field in extreme weather.
In adversity remember to keep an even mind, train hard and fight easy.
                            Horace and Alexander Suvorov

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Reply #22
Thanks guys! Great info. I typically will plan to clean the bore and fowl it with a 5-10 shots prior to the comp if i can. This past competition was just an outlier.

Side note, I just found the PRS website which lists most of the competitions in the US by region. I also just figured out how to fit my rifle in my plane so i guess my new moto will be "have gun will travel". :)

If you live somewhere near a major city hit me up and i'll try to fly up your way and meet you at a competition.

https://www.precisionrifleseries.com/profiles/clubs/CE

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Reply #23
A few in NC. You can fly into a few places here.

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Reply #24
A few in NC. You can fly into a few places here.

Let me know the dates and locations and i'll see if i can get contract fuel at those locations.

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Reply #25
Let me know the dates and locations and i'll see if i can get contract fuel at those locations.

Should be listed in the PRS site. There is one in June 8/9 in Sanford NC and another there in Nov I believe. A bunch of one day matches at Frontline Defense.  If flying military then you can probably fly into Bragg area.

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Reply #26
Some anecdotal data from recent experience....

I just shot the Texas Long Range State Championships this past weekend.  I loaded for the usual 3x20 shots on Saturday and 2x20 Sunday for a total of 100 record rounds and loaded about 10 extras per match for sighters...  150 total.  I burned four rounds to confirm 100yd zero before I left for Houston then read the match bulletin once I arrived...EEEKK!  The match was 3x20 and 3x20!!!  Frick!!!  I needed 120 record rounds and at least 10 sighters per match for a total of 180rds to be most competitive.  I was now left with 4 sighters per match and 2 extras in case the e-target missed a shot and I had to refire.....PAS BON!!  I conserved sighters on Saturday...and suffered a little as a result but my dilemma was to clean after Saturday's matches and waste a few rounds fouling the bore...perhaps lose a few points until the bore 'came back in'??....or....say F it and shoot the dirty rifle Sunday.  I valued the sighters more than the clean bore so I rolled the dice.  I will say that after 140+ rounds I could still find the 5" X-ring at 1000yds.  I ended up ninth overall, first Master and second highest X count for F-open.  Moral of the story...I think I clean my bore too much O:) .


Oh...and RTFM! :-[

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Reply #27
I've often thought the same about Benchrest. 30 record rounds per match, even with fouling in the clean bore the first day and 5 sighters per relay over 2 days/matches thats about 105 rounds for the two matches. If the conditions are good saturday evening sometimes we do some testing. Say 5 sighter and a string of 15 - 21 test rounds that still puts you at 131 rounds tops for the whole shoot..

Everyone cleans between the two matches though. The only advantage I really see is checking your distance to the lands between matches on a clean throat and bore so you don't lose your seating depth at some point over the second day.
Dave

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Reply #28
  Moral of the story...I think I clean my bore too much O:) .

Moral of the story.....eh' !!  More like, "How to save ones
ass when not reading the the match criteria before hand". LOL

And congrats on the numbers put up.
Keeping my bad Kharma intact since 1952

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Reply #29
Moral of the story.....eh' !!  More like, "How to save ones
ass when not reading the the match criteria before hand
". LOL

And congrats on the numbers put up.
That's no $hi+... I won't assume any more :( .  I was still happy with my performance though.  I was shooting a 6.5 142gr at 2935fps against mostly .284/.284 Shehane's running 184gr Bergers at low 2800's and a few 7 RSAUM's running the same but faster and some .300 WSM's running 215 Bergers at 2900's and beat 43/44 shooters on the X count....(of course that and 50cents will get you a cup of coffee).  In review of the E-target data If I was shooting a .284/184 Berger at 2820fps I would have gained right at .5 MOA on windage 'margin of error' and would have dropped up to 5 less points on windage based 9's and probably would have had 4 or 5 more X's.  Of course one could wonder if I would have done better if I had started Sunday with a clean and slightly fouled bore....Hmmmm.  I doubt it though.  A better Indian could have won the match with that dirty arrow ;) .