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Title: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: Ranger 188 on April 15, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
I personally don't shoot Prime ammo, but think what RUAG/Norma
is doing to them it BS.  Unless their's more going on that we don't know.
Need to support an American co. not the giant foreign ones.
People are really upset about this and a go-fund me page might start up
to help pay legal costs.
Snipers Hide, is wanting big US distributors like Midway and Brownell's
to stop carrying RUAG products.
I know we have a small group here, but every person counts.
Need to hits these companies were it counts, pocket book.

https://www.full30.com/watch/MDIwMjk0/prime-ammunition-speaks-out-officially
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: CaptGrumpy on April 15, 2019, 11:34:16 PM
Holy sheep dip! I see a serious battle blowing into town! Prime certainly has my support.
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: sportacus on April 16, 2019, 05:02:16 AM
Have used their 6.5 CM ammo since they started the company.  Very accurate and consistent.  Wondered why most products on their page showed "out of stock" for several months.  Now I know. 
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: mbogo on April 16, 2019, 08:24:31 AM
Read the brief. Prime hasn't paid for the ammunition sold (on consignment).
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: jvw2008 on April 16, 2019, 09:17:06 AM
@mbogo - are you saying there are two sides to this story?

Where did you find the brief?
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: VA-XBolt on April 16, 2019, 09:30:30 AM
If you have the email from Prime, there are copies posted of both filings. If not, see below. Certainly two opinions.

Ruag Filing
https://www.primeammo.com/uploads/11_19_18-Served-Amended-RUAG-Ammotec-Complaint-RUAG-vs-Ctiizens.pdf

Prime (Citizens) counter filing
https://www.primeammo.com/uploads/041519-Answer-to-Amended-Complaint.pdf

Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: sportacus on April 16, 2019, 05:54:24 PM
Kinda figured there  was more to the story.  If you "poke the bear", he will eat your a**.  Hope it gets solved amicably because I  really like the PRIME stuff and the Norma load of Swift 130  Scirocco's.  Josh at Copper Creek will pick up my slack with Bergers that are more accurate and just as deadly.
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: DDRH65CM on April 16, 2019, 08:16:21 PM
Looks like Prime didn't pay up.  How is this RUAG's fault?

besides holding Prime's ammo hostage, which is some ruthless business...but business is usually cut-throat.  (Or Prime getting tricked into paying what they owed anyways, and only paid ~$400K of it---for the 6.54S and 6CM)
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: Ranger 188 on April 16, 2019, 08:20:33 PM
Luckily, I don't have any skin in the game. Don't use Norma stuff or shoot Prime ammo.
Just reporting the news, hopefully not "Fake News"  :o
Their are always, two sides of the story.
Too bad it got to this point...  
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: CaptGrumpy on April 16, 2019, 08:37:01 PM
Fortunately I don't have a dog in this fight. I own about 600 new 300WM cases made by Norma for a vendor in AZ that had them on closeout. Everything that I shoot is hand rolled except some handgun ammo that finds it's way to my shooting bag from friends.
Yes, there are at least 2 sides to every story with the truth somewhere out in no man's land!
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: Sierra49er on April 17, 2019, 01:23:20 PM
This seems like a long and involved situation for both Prime (limited funds and resources) and RUAG (lots of funds and legal staff) and the outcome is likely going to hurt both sides. 

Come to think of it, I dated a girl in high school named Norma.  When out with her once and haven't talked to her since.  Well, I have some 30 carbine Norma brass but that purchase was over 30 years ago.  Guess I won't be calling them either!!
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: DDRH65CM on April 17, 2019, 05:41:31 PM
Just FYI

More info on the situation with Prime. 

Snipershide podcast "the everyday sniper" episode 155.  Frank has Jim on as a guest and he explains their situation.
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: VA-XBolt on April 18, 2019, 08:28:04 AM
For those lurking, Prime has set up a page to help support their legal fund. The have pulled all the documents and interviews into that same page, as well as an FAQ relating to their defense fund which makes it easier to learn more, if you're so inclined.

http://www.primelegalfund.com/


Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: Regnar on April 18, 2019, 09:18:44 AM
Looks like Prime didn't pay up.  How is this RUAG's fault?

besides holding Prime's ammo hostage, which is some ruthless business...but business is usually cut-throat.  (Or Prime getting tricked into paying what they owed anyways, and only paid ~$400K of it---for the 6.54S and 6CM)

100% not true.  Read it or listen to the podcast on the hide.
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: HufD63 on April 18, 2019, 10:22:42 AM
100% not true.  Read it or listen to the podcast on the hide.

I don't know what's what but have read two sides to the story here and elsewhere. Truth is likely a combination of both versions!
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: HufD63 on April 18, 2019, 10:35:58 AM
For those lurking, Prime has set up a page to help support their legal fund. The have pulled all the documents and interviews into that same page, as well as an FAQ relating to their defense fund which makes it easier to learn more, if you're so inclined.

http://www.primelegalfund.com/




I'm not saying they're in the right or wrong but I won't be donating to their legal fund. This is business not a life or death medical procedure someone can't afford.
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: HufD63 on April 18, 2019, 10:48:06 AM
I'm not reading all the legalese briefs but some of these guys have. There are some interesting opinions in this thread.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/prime-ammo-being-forced-into-temporary-closure-by-ruag-norma.3977098/
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: DDRH65CM on April 18, 2019, 12:22:20 PM
Prime has a link for donations to help with their legal fees

http://www.primelegalfund.com

I donated a lil bit

OOPs, Huf already put the link :D

@ Regnar, initial reading of the court docs (obviously i'm not a lawyer) i tried best to understand those big words LOL.  After listening to the podcast, i donated a lil bit.

Also, got a call from Jim of Prime ammo to thank you for the donations.  That's great to have a CEO to actually call personally.
Title: Re: Prime ammo in trouble
Post by: Fuj on April 18, 2019, 01:24:44 PM
I read a little of the various posts, on a few other sites.
Sad that when something like this goes down ,the drama
queens come out of the wood work. My advice would be
to keep your money in your pocket and let it bleed out in
the courts, and not internet forums.