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I have an adjustable stop on my ram to prevent cam over, when
necessary, however !!  "Reading the "Freakin" instructions" would
have me swaging my bullets. It states that on all other presses,
to screw in the die, 2 full turns after contact with the shell holder.
First time setup, It said nada. I went to one full turn, then 1/4 turns.
I was getting my results way before two full turns with Hornady brass,
and spec wall thickness.....Sooooo, go easy, before you shove it all
the way in.

Seriously. That's what you have come up with?

Edit, not directed at Fuj, meant for Root.

Cam over is really no big deal. The problem comes in on how
much force is needed to overrun the toggles. In Grants case, it's
probably under their recommended 25 lbs. In my case, it would
more. Do your set up that works best for you. The instructions
are more of a guideline, and can never incorporate the variables.

Lee's instructions have to apply to the lowest common denominator in order to help ensure their products are used safely and produce a basic level of performance.

An experienced hand loader who appreciates the die's virtues may decide to up the game a bit, nothing wrong with that.

Root man not all of us use Lee presses. You have tried to stir up shit ever since you joined this forum with your I know more than everybody else attitude...when in reality the stuff you say shows your ignorance when it comes to loading precision ammo. Far as I'm concerned you can find somewhere else to run your mouth about how damn smart you are. You have absolutely helped no one on here.

Quote from: gman47564 on November 02, 2018, 02:24:37 PMRoot man not all of us use Lee presses. You have tried to stir up shit ever since you joined this forum with your I know more than everybody else attitude...when in reality the stuff you say shows your ignorance when it comes to loading precision ammo. Far as I'm concerned you can find somewhere else to run your mouth about how damn smart you are. You have absolutely helped no one on here.

Perhaps he can go weigh some rounds at a windless range with like minded folk in another state     

Wow! "I didn't see this coming" said no one.

This all seems too familiar..... Back under my rock, I go.

Quote from: ROOTMANSLIM on November 01, 2018, 12:44:02 PMLEE says you should NEVER set up a collet die to bump over center.

As with many things, RTFI is always a good idea !

Lee's instructions are written to the lowest common denominator to prevent folks from blowing the caps off their LCDs.  Done properly, camming over with a LCD works great and you don't have to wonder how much pressure you are putting on the press handle.

I've had to polish the mandrel smaller on mine to get adequate neck tension. I also do not set mine up according Lee's instructions but get more consistent results by adjusting them so that the press cams over. There is no danger in this as long as you pay attention and go in very small increments when adjusting the die down.

Start with the ram fully extended and screw the die until it touches the shell holder. Put a case in and give it a try. Check  bullet grip. If not enough, adjust the die a little more down, maybe 1/16 turn and try again. Repeat as necessary until Bullet grip is sufficient. If it gets to where you are putting excessive pressure on your handle and the necks are not being sized any smaller, you need to purchase an undersized mandrel from Lee ($5 well spent) or polish your mandrel down using a drill and Emory cloth. Work hardened brass makes a difference too. You may need to anneal.

John

I had no idea there were other ways to indicate desired neck tension when using a Lee collet die, thanks hondo.

Quote from: bikemutt on November 03, 2018, 03:01:03 PMI had no idea there were other ways to indicate desired neck tension when using a Lee collet die, thanks hondo.

Once you are firmly squeezing the case neck against the mandrel, no amount of pressure will size the neck any tighter.  Trying to do so is how people blow the caps off these dies.  At that point, a smaller mandrel is needed.  To know if you are sizing as far as that mandrel will allow, you can measure case neck OD with each adjustment of the die.  Once it quits getting smaller, you are there.  Lee will sell you undersized mandrels for about $5 each.  Money well spent as I usually find the original doesn't provide quite as much neck tension as I prefer.

John

I like to RTFI after I break something, it's a man thing!

^^^^
Here here... lol

Quote from: 6.5savageguy on November 03, 2018, 03:27:38 PMI like to RTFI after I break something, it's a man thing!

Reminds me of an old joke.... "Hey Quido !!  That's the third bar on the
chain saw, you broke today. Would not it be easier just to pull the rope
and use the engine.....eh !!  Read the manual Quido.....What manual ??
No paper in the out house this morning.....

Quote from: Fuj on November 03, 2018, 03:44:31 PMReminds me of an old joke.... "Hey Quido !!  That's the third bar on the
chain saw, you broke today. Would not it be easier just to pull the rope
and use the engine.....eh !!  Read the manual Quido.....What manual ??
No paper in the out house this morning.....

I love it ?